Wednesday, January 03, 2007

Let's Bash Other Believers! An Example...

I Saw this posted on a forum I frequent. See my comments below the article....

But Southern Baptists Say Ok To “Bishop” T.D. Jakes


By Ken Silva

Apprising Ministries


Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? [1]



The Youngs Father And Son Share A Podium

Those who have been following recent events here at Apprising Ministries will know that I have been led of the Lord to begin exposing contemplative mysticism and the deep penetration of the neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church into the Southern Baptist Convention. As I have been researching I found myself uncovering a little event put on by Ed Young, Jr. of Creative Pastors: Life & Leadership Resources With Ed Young.



I must admit that even I was shocked to see who would be sharing the platform for this upcoming “Christian” conference. So get ready and hold on tight because here comes Creative Church Conference 2007 [2] aka C3 2007. O yeah, now we can wipe out all doctrinal distinctives! C3 2007 we’re told is all about “turning WHAT IF into WHAT IS”...well, actually an abomination in the Lord’s sight.

Even so, we’re told at the website, “Each year, thousands of pastors and leaders from across the country and around the world converge on Fellowship Church for the Creative Church Conference – a conference that promises to challenge your imagination, encourage your heart and stretch your leadership in ways you never dreamed possible.” You bet it will. Just look who’s sharing the platform here with Ed Young, Jr.

First there’s his dad Dr. Ed Young [3] former president of the Southern Baptist Convention. His Mega Second Baptist Church also happens to be having a big Grand Opening of their West Campus [4] in January of 2007. In her recent post Circus Maximus: More Mega-Madness on Slice of Laodicea Ingrid Schlueter correctly points out:



At the core of the megachurch foolishness is, of course, a wrong view of God and the Gospel. Big churches need big buildings, so these people take their wrong view of God and the Gospel and work it into every aspect of church life. In short, like the ancient Roman government, the church becomes the purveyor of “bread and circuses” to keep the restless masses happy.



If you have huge buildings and lavish facilities, it is only natural that you are going to want to use them. Second Baptist Church in Houston has five "campuses". They are just holding a “Grand Opening” of 200,000 square feet of new building space. [5]



So after all of the festivities Dr. Ed Young should be plenty revved up for C3 2007. But wait, it gets even better…or worse…depending on whether or not you’re a Christian who loves our Lord’s Church. There’s “ex”-Emergent–maybe I am, or maybe I’m not– Mark Driscoll [6] who’s slated among the stellar “special guests” as well.



The Ecumenical Church Of Deceit Grows A Little Closer

And in addition there happens to be one other rather interesting, “Ministerial and business visionary, entrepreneurial trailblazer, altruistic philanthropist, and spiritual shepherd to millions around the globe” who is going to be on that same platform. At C3 2007 we also see a certain Word Faith Oneness Pentecostal heretic by the name of “Bishop” T.D. Jakes. [7] That’s right. Dr. Ed Young, twice president of the SBC is currently billed right below a man who actually denies the very nature of the God he says he serves.



So now what do you think about that? As I showed in my article Faith Forward Straight Into the Worship of Man the lines are rapidly blurring in the Ecumenical Church of Deceit. And in this case we have T.D. Jakes who denies the Holy Trinity accepted as a brother in Christ by a former two time president of the SBC. Y’know just maybe Steve Camp is onto something with his Reclaiming a Reverence for God in Ministry – a clarion call for reformation when he says:



It is no secret, the current state of evangelicalism moving away from biblical truth is eroding dramatically almost monthly with no corrective in sight. There needs to be a clarion call for action in evangelicalism today that I am now reoffering
The 107 THESES as one such call.



No one today, and I mean no one of any evangelical note of leadership, is willing to risk their current book deals, contracts, public standing in the marketplace, or radio positioning to confront the theological/biblical corrosion of modern day evangelicalism head on. [8]



Is the SBC finally going to draw a line somewhere in all of this? But as the C3 2007 website says: “After experiencing these two days, you and your team will walk away with a new sense of what church is and should be.” Indeed you will, apparently now it’s a free for all with absolutely no spiritual backbone whatsoever. I’m certainly not Christ but this even makes me want to spew.

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[1]
2 Corinthians 6:14-15, ESV.

[2]
http://www.creativepastors.com/c32007.php, 12/29/06.

[3]
http://www.creativepastors.com/c32007-speakers.php#edsr, 12/29/06.

[4]
https://www.second.org/west/west_home.aspx, 12/29/06.

[5]
http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/archives/2006/12/circus_maximus.php, 12/29/06.

[6]
http://www.creativepastors.com/c32007-speakers.php#mark, 12/29/06.

[7]
http://www.creativepastors.com/c32007-speakers.php#mark, 12/29/06.

[8]
http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/archiv ... 06/12/reclaiming_a_re.php, 12/29/06.



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My Turn:
I have followed the ministries of Ed Young Sr. -- and Ed Young Jr. -- for a long time. I've read about T.D. Jakes, and I teach adjunct at a predominately African-American Bible College where most hold Jakes in high regard, though he is not in their denomination.

Now, certainly, I don't agree with these men on every issue which they speak, nor every doctrine which they hold. However, after reading the article posted above, my observations aren't so much about the subjects addressed, as about the "writer" and "ministry" that addresses them.

First, WHO is Ken Silva and WHAT is Apprising Ministries?

Second, WHY does he believe God has called him "to begin exposing contemplative mysticism and the deep penetration of the neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church into the Southern Baptist Convention"?

Third, just what IS "contemplative mysticism" and "the neo-liberal cult" according to Silva -- other than a club with which to publicly flog Southern Baptists and other Christians? (If they ARE Christians of course -- which Silva concludes they are not...)

Fourth, why does he have a problem with Ed Young Sr. pastoring a MegaChurch? I mean, why is the MegaChurch "evil," as he claims? Is it wrong for the Church to provide entertainment and recreation for its members -- or is that a sin too? And would Silva feel better if 2nd Baptist Church Houston only ran 200 or so? WOuld he feel better if HE pastored 2nd Baptist? WOuld the numbers be alright then? Would he have condemned the Jerusalem Church in 30 AD for being a MegaChurch too? After all, they had a membership of over 3,000 in their FIRST DAY! And within a few years, they'd added at least 5,000 more men, not counting women and children! (those Apostles...they should have read Silva's newsletter).

But my final observation is the one that bothers me the most. Among Fundamentalists and some Conservative Evangelicals, it is better to separate than to unify. It is better to condemn than to commend. It is better to trash people than to talk to them. Silva, apparently, fits into this category.

Responsible Disciples seek a Biblical balance that brings about TRUE UNITY. This unity allows us to "speak the truth in love." It does NOT bring about uniformity. It brings FREEDOM, not fear. Dr. Robertson McQuilkin rightly says, "It is easier to go to a consistent extreme than to stay at the center of Biblical tension." Silva has found the ditch. Hopefully most of us won't blindly follow him there.


3 comments:

Ken Silva said...

Hello J.,

You did catch this part, "T.D. Jakes who denies the Holy Trinity"? After all, you have a M. Div, so you should know this is a serious problem. It's to deny Who God is.

I guess the ancient Church was wrong to deem Sabellius a heretic. Perhaps they should also have worked for unity with Aruis as well. It was only the nature of Christ, our Savior.

Jakes is a Oneness Pentecostal and a spiritual coward who will not simply come out and admit it publicly:

http://www.apprising.org/archives/
2007/01/td_jakes_is_a_s.html

Just thought you might want some help to stay on the central thesis supposed by the opening text. The Youngs, whose ministries you say you have followed, shared the pulpit with a heretic. :-)

John Bartlett said...

Ken,

Are you really wasting your time with this? People are going to hell all around us and you're going to spend your time writing mumbo jumbo which only divides Christians rather than bringing us together.

So is your issue with TD Jakes or with "mega-churches"?

If your issue is with Jakes: whether he is Oneness Pentecostal or not, if he has Jesus in his heart and his ministry leads hundreds of thousands of others to Christ then where exactly is your issue?

If your issue is with mega-churches: I hate to tell you this but Heaven will be a HUGE place so if you have problem with a huge Church then you'll have a problem with Heaven.

Ken - I don't mean this as an attack on you but come on... let's focus on the issue at hand: telling more people about Jesus and expanding His kingdom!

ann_in_grace said...

If your issue is with Jakes: whether he is Oneness Pentecostal or not, if he has Jesus in his heart and his ministry leads hundreds of thousands of others to Christ then where exactly is your issue?

What about accursing anyone preaching "another Gospel"? Remember what Paul said?
Theology matters, and not every "Jesus" is the Savior...


Ken - I don't mean this as an attack on you but come on... let's focus on the issue at hand: telling more people about Jesus and expanding His kingdom!

Yes, but which Jesus? The MAN-Jesus? The 'brother of Satan'-Jesus? Or the Son of God?
It is important to preach the right one from the beginning, to preach the one who said 'repent and believe' befor he talked about love.